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Posted by on February 13, 2008, 9:13 am
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From the rewrite-in-progress of the AI User Manual
http://mind.sourceforge.net/m4thuser.html
1.5 Can MindForth feel emotions?
When a robot is in love, it needs to feel a
physiological response to its internal state of mind.
Regardless of what causes the love, the robot will
not experience what the ancient Greeks called
"damenta phrenas himero" (tamed in the heart by longing)
unless some bodily manifestation of the longings of
love interrupts the otherwise placid state of the robot
mind and draws the conscious attention of the robot to
its emotion. It could be as simple an affect as the
emitting of a sound like "thump-thump" or "tick-tock"
from a robot loudspeaker feeding back into a sensory
microphone, so that the robot both generates and
perceives the physiological disruption of its previous
placidity.
Makers of robots could program their nuts-and-volts
counterpart to commence the loudspeaker "thump-thump"
behavior for a brief period of time immediately following
each recognition of the presence of the human by the bot.
This automatic reaction might simply mystify the robot,
who would wonder why it reacts so dramatically to the
perceived presence of its human friend. Given the beat
of the thump-thump sound, and given its perception by
the robot, the fact of which emotion is felt is not a
given, but hinges rather on the cognitive predisposition
of the robot mind to feel any one of a range of possible
emotions.
The amateur roboticist who wants to inculcate emotions in
a forthmindful robot has got to match the physiological
manifestation of each emotion with an adequate sensory
perception of the physiological event. Here in the first
True AI User Manual, let us initiate and henceforth maintain
the following roster of possible emotions in robots and
their physiological concomitants.
* love -- felt as a thump-thump of the virtual heart
* anger -- felt as the flashing of a red warning light
We may add to the list as clever robogeeks invent and
demonstrate robust pairings of affect and percept for
each emotion. On the other hand, robot-makers could endow
their robots with the output-input pairings and let the
robots themselves sort it out as to which emotion is
called into sharp focus by each physical manifestation.
The one group of people whom we do not want calling the
robot emotion shots are the film directors and movie-makers.
A massive, fiery explosion is not a proper evincing of anger
or excitement in a robot tasked with vacuuming your carpet.
The theory behind our plan for robot emotions is that, once
there is a cognitive spark that could engender an emotion,
such as a sudden and drastic cognitive predicament, the robot
needs the involuntary bodily response and sensation thereof
to sharpen and focus its attention upon the emotional feeling.
Without the physiological jolt and its perception that bends
the chain of thought, the intelligent robot has no cause to
feel the target emotion. There must be a discontinuity in
the thought-stream, or there can be no emotion. Even if the
robot is only thinking about an emotion, there needs to be
at least a memory of the actively felt physiological event.
Early, disembodied versions of Mind.Forth obviously can not
feel an emotion if they lack a body to smack the consciousness
with the emotional ictus and to perceive what it feels like,
but MindForth holds out the promise of robot emotions to
pioneers in robot evolution who will incorporate MindForth.
Try to have some interesting emotional displays that will
cater but not pander to the insatiable lust of movie-makers
for Gotterdammerung-gone-wild special effects and godzillas.
Arthur
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http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/emotion.html http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/mind4th.html http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/m4thuser.html
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Posted by Axel Harvey on February 27, 2008, 11:44 am
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On Feb 13, 2:13 pm, menti...@myuw.net wrote:
> From the rewrite-in-progress of the AI User
Manualhttp://mind.sourceforge.net/m4thuser.html
>
> 1.5 Can MindForth feel emotions?
>
> When a robot is in love, it needs to feel a
> physiological response to its internal state of mind.
> Regardless of what causes the love, the robot will
> not experience what the ancient Greeks called
> "damenta phrenas himero" (tamed in the heart by longing)
> unless some bodily manifestation of the longings of
> love interrupts the otherwise placid state of the robot
> mind and draws the conscious attention of the robot to
> its emotion. It could be as simple an affect as the
> emitting of a sound like "thump-thump" or "tick-tock"
> from a robot loudspeaker feeding back into a sensory
> microphone, so that the robot both generates and
> perceives the physiological disruption of its previous
> placidity.
>
> [ ... ]
The next step, clearly, would be reductionist robots
that on reading their own source code would conclude,
"Well, duh, it's just because I was programmed that
way."
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Posted by Deep Reset on February 27, 2008, 2:24 pm
Please log in for more thread options > On Feb 13, 2:13 pm, menti...@myuw.net wrote:
>> From the rewrite-in-progress of the AI User
>> Manualhttp://mind.sourceforge.net/m4thuser.html
>>
>> 1.5 Can MindForth feel emotions?
>>
>> When a robot is in love, it needs to feel a
>> physiological response to its internal state of mind.
>> Regardless of what causes the love, the robot will
>> not experience what the ancient Greeks called
>> "damenta phrenas himero" (tamed in the heart by longing)
>> unless some bodily manifestation of the longings of
>> love interrupts the otherwise placid state of the robot
>> mind and draws the conscious attention of the robot to
>> its emotion. It could be as simple an affect as the
>> emitting of a sound like "thump-thump" or "tick-tock"
>> from a robot loudspeaker feeding back into a sensory
>> microphone, so that the robot both generates and
>> perceives the physiological disruption of its previous
>> placidity.
>>
>> [ ... ]
>
> The next step, clearly, would be reductionist robots
> that on reading their own source code would conclude,
> "Well, duh, it's just because I was programmed that
> way."
And then in their teenage years would exclaim
"I didn't ask to be programmed"
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Posted by FCS on March 20, 2008, 10:57 am
Please log in for more thread options On Feb 13, 2:13=A0pm, menti...@myuw.net wrote:
> From the rewrite-in-progress of the AI User Manualhttp://mind.sourceforge.=
net/m4thuser.html
>
> 1.5 Can MindForth feel emotions?
>
> When a robot is in love, it needs to feel a
> physiological response to its internal state of mind.
> Regardless of what causes the love, the robot will
> not experience what the ancient Greeks called
> "damenta phrenas himero" (tamed in the heart by longing)
> unless some bodily manifestation of the longings of
> love interrupts the otherwise placid state of the robot
> mind and draws the conscious attention of the robot to
> its emotion. It could be as simple an affect as the
> emitting of a sound like "thump-thump" or "tick-tock"
> from a robot loudspeaker feeding back into a sensory
> microphone, so that the robot both generates and
> perceives the physiological disruption of its previous
> placidity.
>
> Makers of robots could program their nuts-and-volts
> counterpart to commence the loudspeaker "thump-thump"
> behavior for a brief period of time immediately following
> each recognition of the presence of the human by the bot.
> This automatic reaction might simply mystify the robot,
> who would wonder why it reacts so dramatically to the
> perceived presence of its human friend. Given the beat
> of the thump-thump sound, and given its perception by
> the robot, the fact of which emotion is felt is not a
> given, but hinges rather on the cognitive predisposition
> of the robot mind to feel any one of a range of possible
> emotions.
>
> The amateur roboticist who wants to inculcate emotions in
> a forthmindful robot has got to match the physiological
> manifestation of each emotion with an adequate sensory
> perception of the physiological event. Here in the first
> True AI User Manual, let us initiate and henceforth maintain
> the following roster of possible emotions in robots and
> their physiological concomitants.
>
> =A0 =A0 * love -- felt as a thump-thump of the virtual heart
> =A0 =A0 * anger -- felt as the flashing of a red warning light
>
> We may add to the list as clever robogeeks invent and
> demonstrate robust pairings of affect and percept for
> each emotion. On the other hand, robot-makers could endow
> their robots with the output-input pairings and let the
> robots themselves sort it out as to which emotion is
> called into sharp focus by each physical manifestation.
> The one group of people whom we do not want calling the
> robot emotion shots are the film directors and movie-makers.
> A massive, fiery explosion is not a proper evincing of anger
> or excitement in a robot tasked with vacuuming your carpet.
>
> The theory behind our plan for robot emotions is that, once
> there is a cognitive spark that could engender an emotion,
> such as a sudden and drastic cognitive predicament, the robot
> needs the involuntary bodily response and sensation thereof
> to sharpen and focus its attention upon the emotional feeling.
> Without the physiological jolt and its perception that bends
> the chain of thought, the intelligent robot has no cause to
> feel the target emotion. There must be a discontinuity in
> the thought-stream, or there can be no emotion. Even if the
> robot is only thinking about an emotion, there needs to be
> at least a memory of the actively felt physiological event.
>
> Early, disembodied versions of Mind.Forth obviously can not
> feel an emotion if they lack a body to smack the consciousness
> with the emotional ictus and to perceive what it feels like,
> but MindForth holds out the promise of robot emotions to
> pioneers in robot evolution who will incorporate MindForth.
> Try to have some interesting emotional displays that will
> cater but not pander to the insatiable lust of movie-makers
> for Gotterdammerung-gone-wild special effects and godzillas.
>
> Arthur
> --http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/emotion.htmlhttp://mentifex.virtualent=
ity.com/mind4th.htmlhttp://mentifex.virtualentity.com/m4thuser.html
This has probably been mentioned before, but wouldn't
it be of more use to simulate the responses a human
would expect another human to display than lumber a
robot with existential confusion in the first instance?
In terms of theories of mind, it also seems that as we
can hardly be relied on not to treat others as objects,
more would be forthcoming from a mind free of various
affects of emtion in terms of working out where logic
starts and stops in each of us - which is different to a
greater or lesser extent, even when people actively
seek to think and act like a pack with shared, immutable
values and instinctive idiosyncratic responses - then a
robot would learn more and more quickly from observing
the differences between it and us.
After all, until we know where we start and end and
where the fact we haven't seen sunlight and made our
own vitamin D has an affective edge, for example, or
why it is we miss our home by the seaside when in a
low-salt environment, comes into play, can we really
hope to program a robot effectively by way of a servo-
motor rumble circuit to feel anything other than mildly
navigationally challenged?
After all, to cite a, probably meaningless, cliche all
Star Trek TNG's "Mr Data" ever was originally meant to
do was showcase speed-reading techniques, IIUC.
And I do not belive that in such a metaphor-free place
as Starfleet eventually became, post-Scotty, the crew
would have been so habituated to a beta-phase proto-
type as to engage quite so collusively in the fantastic
anthropomorphics they did.
Not a planned first post. I came across this page on
MSNBC today and ended up wondering who Hilary
Clinton is?
Is this some kind of new doorway into the rumoured
postal voting scams US cynics are bracing against?
http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/news/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3D7858018
G DAEB
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