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Posted by Not Really Me on June 27, 2008, 11:48 am
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>>> > hardware. IT departments don't like to support multiple OSes, they
>>> > enjoy standardization. The last of the Win2000 machines are (by and
>>> > large) replaced with XP machines now, so most of the PCs in the
>>> > corporate world are standardized. Any Vista machines added to that mix
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>>> I would not be so sure, there are plenty of apps still running on
>>> systems
>>> older than that!
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>>Certainly. People in this NG in particular will have numerous stories
>>of "the exception testing the rule". However for the bulk-purchased
>>office productivity machines (running MS-Office and little else) which
>>make up the lion's share of installs in a big organization like Intel,
>>the upgrade is centrally managed by IT, and IT won't standardize on
>>Vista until it's less effort than continuing to support XP. However,
>>once that day arrives, they /will/ upgrade.
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>>For the moment, it's obvious that a Vista "upgrade" has nothing but
>>downsides even for people buying brand-new machines. At some point in
>>the future, possibly before the release of Windows 7, that might no
>>longer be true.
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> For a large enterprise, is there any need to upgrade to vista? Given
> most enterprises are on a 3year+ refresh cycle, i think you will find
> that only now are they starting to considering the upgrade. Same thing
> occured with Win XP.
Business Week reported the same about General Motors a month or two ago. GM
refused to upgrade partly because too many of their machines wouldn't
support Vista. They also are waiting for Win7.
Scott
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Posted by Uniden on June 27, 2008, 12:01 pm
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scott@validatedQWERTYsoftware.XYZZY.com says...
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> Business Week reported the same about General Motors a month or two ago. GM
> refused to upgrade partly because too many of their machines wouldn't
> support Vista. They also are waiting for Win7.
"waiting for Win7" Will Win7 run on the machines that are currently
underpowered for Vista?
I think not. I'd speculate that since Vista requires a machine with 5
times the guts of an "XP-class machine" to run, Win7 would then need a
machine with 5 times the guts of a "Vista-class machine".
(Meanwhile my Ubuntu box runs really well on a Win2000-class machine.)
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Posted by Alex Feldman on June 27, 2008, 12:30 pm
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> scott@validatedQWERTYsoftware.XYZZY.com says...
>> Business Week reported the same about General Motors a month or two ago. GM
>> refused to upgrade partly because too many of their machines wouldn't
>> support Vista. They also are waiting for Win7.
>
> "waiting for Win7" Will Win7 run on the machines that are currently
> underpowered for Vista?
>
> I think not. I'd speculate that since Vista requires a machine with 5
> times the guts of an "XP-class machine" to run, Win7 would then need a
> machine with 5 times the guts of a "Vista-class machine".
>
> (Meanwhile my Ubuntu box runs really well on a Win2000-class machine.)
I'd say it's 1x per year since last release. So if Win7 is released in
2009 it'll be....x2 of Vista requirements
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Posted by Paul Gotch on June 27, 2008, 1:07 pm
Please log in for more thread options > "waiting for Win7" Will Win7 run on the machines that are currently
> underpowered for Vista?
It's MS policy, or at least has been for the last decade to add as many
features as possible rather than make what is there work or the current
features work faster with lower resource requirements.
One thing to note is that power consumption is directly related to resource
useage, as people become far more concious of how much power their computers
are using and that power costs more MS (and Intel for that matter) are going
to have to change or die.
-p
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"Unix is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are."
- Anonymous
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Posted by David Brown on June 28, 2008, 6:03 am
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> scott@validatedQWERTYsoftware.XYZZY.com says...
>> Business Week reported the same about General Motors a month or two ago. GM
>> refused to upgrade partly because too many of their machines wouldn't
>> support Vista. They also are waiting for Win7.
>
> "waiting for Win7" Will Win7 run on the machines that are currently
> underpowered for Vista?
>
> I think not. I'd speculate that since Vista requires a machine with 5
> times the guts of an "XP-class machine" to run, Win7 would then need a
> machine with 5 times the guts of a "Vista-class machine".
>
> (Meanwhile my Ubuntu box runs really well on a Win2000-class machine.)
It seems unlikely that Win7 will need significantly more than Vista does
- I don't even MS will try to use physics engines or ray-tracing on the
desktop. And Vista is happy with pretty much any modern processor
(except for the extreme portable ones) and 1 GB of ram - almost any new
PC should fast enough, at least without Aero. The trouble with Vista's
hardware requirements is that they are too demanding for a cheap machine
a few years old - you can't sensibly "upgrade" an average XP machine to
Vista. But in a couple of years time, when Win7 turns up, common
business replace strategies will have replaced these older PC's with
systems that are fine for Vista (to the extent that Vista could ever be
called "fine" - but we are just looking at the hardware here) and should
be fine for Win7.
Of course, it remains to be seen whether MS will make the same kind of
absurd mistakes with Win7 as with Vista regarding incompatibility with
hardware, software, drivers, and users. Vista is a great boost for the
Mac and desktop *nix, but the big buyers are conservative enough to say
"we'll skip Vista, and wait for Win7". If Win7 is not worth waiting
for, they won't be so forgiving a second time.
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