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Linear travel GregS 06-19-2008
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Posted by GregS on June 23, 2008, 12:25 pm
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mike_l_rossREMOVE@EMOVEcomcast.net wrote:
>GregS wrote:
>
>> All I need is about a 1 inch stroke for an application. A solenoid might
>> work but it might not. I'm considering a small linear actuator or motor.
>> Are there any good choices or companies that have a small devices. I have
>> to get the speed down to 100 ms.
>>
>> greg
>
>
>If you don't have to control to intermediate positions, I think a solenoid
>is going to be your cheapest solution. Any motor that can do that speed
>will probably be expensive and require a controller. All you need for a
>solenoid is current. The solenoids are faster because they don't have to
>drive as much mass.
>
>Surplus 12V solenoids with roughly 1" travel are $5 to $10US around here.
>
>
>Mike Ross


OK I have seen some good answers here. My load is a small sliding lens, and
I can't say exactly how massive it is. The 100 ms is what someone suggested
but I think we can use a slower speed, maybe 250 ms. Still contemplating,
solenoids
are what we will probably use, with a pivot to get more travel. I would like to
use
two for push pull, so we don't have to use a spring. I just didn't know of good
companies to explore linear actuators.

greg

Posted by John Nagle on June 23, 2008, 3:08 pm
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GregS wrote:
mike_l_rossREMOVE@EMOVEcomcast.net wrote:
>> GregS wrote:
>>
>>> All I need is about a 1 inch stroke for an application. A solenoid might
>>> work but it might not. I'm considering a small linear actuator or motor.
>>> Are there any good choices or companies that have a small devices. I have
>>> to get the speed down to 100 ms.
>>>
>>> greg
>>
>> If you don't have to control to intermediate positions, I think a solenoid
>> is going to be your cheapest solution. Any motor that can do that speed
>> will probably be expensive and require a controller. All you need for a
>> solenoid is current. The solenoids are faster because they don't have to
>> drive as much mass.
>>
>> Surplus 12V solenoids with roughly 1" travel are $5 to $10US around here.
>>
>>
>> Mike Ross
>
>
> OK I have seen some good answers here. My load is a small sliding lens, and
> I can't say exactly how massive it is.

Suggest investigating concept of "scale".

> The 100 ms is what someone suggested
> but I think we can use a slower speed, maybe 250 ms. Still contemplating,
solenoids
> are what we will probably use, with a pivot to get more travel. I would like
to use
> two for push pull, so we don't have to use a spring. I just didn't know of good
> companies to explore linear actuators.

Ah, another vague actuator requirement. Try Google.

There are many different short-distance linear actuator devices available.
If you're going to build stuff, you need to be aware of available parts.
This isn't hard, because most vendors have on-line catalogs.

Questions to think about?

        - How often is movement required? If you can allow cool-down time,
        you can use a much smaller solenoid at a low duty cycle.

        - Does power consumption matter? If this thing has 120VAC available,
        power probably isn't going to be an issue. If it has to run on an
        AA battery, efficiency will have to be higher.

        - How precise does the stopping point have to be? 5mm? 1mm? 0.01mm?
        Is a mechanical stop with a rubber bumper good enough, or is more
        precise positioning required?

        - Is there a noise issue? If you slam a solenoid into a hard stop,
        there's going to be a click or a a bang.
        
        - What about size and cost? This is easier to do if you don't have
        to cram the actuator into a tight spot. And how many do you need?

        - What's the life cycle? 100 operations? 100,000,000 operations?

A Festo SLTE actuator will probably do the job for you. They're not
cheap, but they're a turn-key solution for linear motion.

http://www.festo.com/INetDomino/us/en/cc7bba1d0b919dfbc125709200547d6a.htm

                                                John Nagle

Posted by GregS on June 25, 2008, 10:56 am
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>GregS wrote:
> mike_l_rossREMOVE@EMOVEcomcast.net wrote:
>>> GregS wrote:
>>>
>>>> All I need is about a 1 inch stroke for an application. A solenoid might
>>>> work but it might not. I'm considering a small linear actuator or motor.
>>>> Are there any good choices or companies that have a small devices. I have
>>>> to get the speed down to 100 ms.
>>>>
>>>> greg
>>>
>>> If you don't have to control to intermediate positions, I think a solenoid
>>> is going to be your cheapest solution. Any motor that can do that speed
>>> will probably be expensive and require a controller. All you need for a
>>> solenoid is current. The solenoids are faster because they don't have to
>>> drive as much mass.
>>>
>>> Surplus 12V solenoids with roughly 1" travel are $5 to $10US around here.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Ross
>>
>>
>> OK I have seen some good answers here. My load is a small sliding lens, and
>> I can't say exactly how massive it is.
>
> Suggest investigating concept of "scale".
>

We will construct it after the type of drive is selected.

>> The 100 ms is what someone suggested
>> but I think we can use a slower speed, maybe 250 ms. Still contemplating,
> solenoids
>> are what we will probably use, with a pivot to get more travel. I would like
> to use
>> two for push pull, so we don't have to use a spring. I just didn't know of
> good
>> companies to explore linear actuators.
>
> Ah, another vague actuator requirement. Try Google.

Unfortunately Google does not always give what you want.

> There are many different short-distance linear actuator devices available.
>If you're going to build stuff, you need to be aware of available parts.
>This isn't hard, because most vendors have on-line catalogs.
>
> Questions to think about?
>
> - How often is movement required? If you can allow cool-down time,
> you can use a much smaller solenoid at a low duty cycle.
>
> - Does power consumption matter? If this thing has 120VAC available,
> power probably isn't going to be an issue. If it has to run on an
> AA battery, efficiency will have to be higher.
>
> - How precise does the stopping point have to be? 5mm? 1mm? 0.01mm?
> Is a mechanical stop with a rubber bumper good enough, or is more
> precise positioning required?
>
> - Is there a noise issue? If you slam a solenoid into a hard stop,
> there's going to be a click or a a bang.
>
> - What about size and cost? This is easier to do if you don't have
> to cram the actuator into a tight spot. And how many do you need?
>
> - What's the life cycle? 100 operations? 100,000,000 operations?
>
>A Festo SLTE actuator will probably do the job for you. They're not
>cheap, but they're a turn-key solution for linear motion.
>
>http://www.festo.com/INetDomino/us/en/cc7bba1d0b919dfbc125709200547d6a.htm
>
> John Nagle

Thanks for the link. Most all of the actuators I have run into have way too much
power for what we want. I am considerig a 300 rpm gear motor with a arm or
circular
drive feeding an arm. I can set direction and how long of a pulse I need to let
the
motor rest after its traveled.

The servo link was great. I might use a servo but its seems more complicated
using
pulses for control.

I am used to the old analog DC servos.

What I am doing is replacing a Nikon device doing the same thing, but much
faster.

greg

greg

Posted by BRW on June 25, 2008, 4:17 pm
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> The servo link was great. I might use a servo but its seems more complicated
using
> pulses for control.
>

Not if you let someone else take care of the complication for you.
You can buy a hobby servo controller that you can command via RS-232.
For example, Pololu (www.pololu.com) or ServoCity sells them. There
are many other suppliers out there.

BRW


Posted by John Nagle on June 19, 2008, 10:39 pm
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GregS wrote:
> All I need is about a 1 inch stroke for an application. A solenoid might work
> but it might not. I'm considering a small linear actuator or motor. Are there
any good
> choices or companies that have a small devices. I have to get the speed down
to 100 ms.
>
> greg

When you ask questions like this, tell us what the load is.
If you need to move 10gm, this is easy. If you need to move 10Kg, it's
hard, although quite possible.

                                        John Nagle

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