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Posted by Bill M on January 14, 2008, 3:31 pm
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reject; so that you may then believe
without... the things which I teach you, since you will find no other ground
for rejecting them, except that you cannot know of yourselves if they are
true or not.
"God has willed to redeem men and to open salvation to those who seek it.
But men render themselves so unworthy of it that it is right that God should
refuse to some, because of their obduracy, what He grants others from a
compassion which is not due to them. If He had willed to overcome the
obstinacy of the most hardened, He could have done so by revealing Himself
so manifestly to them that they could not have doubted of the truth of His
essence; as it will appear at the last day, with such thunders and such a
convulsion of nature that the dead will rise again, and the blindest will
see Him.
"It is not in this manner that He has willed to appear in His advent of
mercy, because, as so many make themselves unworthy of His mercy, He has
willed to leave them in the loss of the good which they do not want. It was
not, then, right that He should appear in a manner manifestly divine, and
completely capable of convincing all men; but it was also not right that He
should come in so hidden a manner that He could not be known by those who
should sincerely seek Him. He has willed to make himself quite recognisable
by those; and thus, willing to appear openly to those who seek Him with all
their heart, and to be hidden from those who flee from Him with all their
heart, He so regulates the knowledge of Himself that He has given signs of
Himself, visible to those who seek Him, and not to those who seek Him not.
There is enough light for those who only desire to see, and enough obscurity
for those who have a contrary disposition.
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Posted by Bill M on January 15, 2008, 6:25 am
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Forgery!
> reject; so that you may then believe
> without... the things which I teach you, since you will find no other
> ground
> for rejecting them, except that you cannot know of yourselves if they are
> true or not.
>
> "God has willed to redeem men and to open salvation to those who seek it.
> But men render themselves so unworthy of it that it is right that God
> should
> refuse to some, because of their obduracy, what He grants others from a
> compassion which is not due to them. If He had willed to overcome the
> obstinacy of the most hardened, He could have done so by revealing Himself
> so manifestly to them that they could not have doubted of the truth of His
> essence; as it will appear at the last day, with such thunders and such a
> convulsion of nature that the dead will rise again, and the blindest will
> see Him.
>
> "It is not in this manner that He has willed to appear in His advent of
> mercy, because, as so many make themselves unworthy of His mercy, He has
> willed to leave them in the loss of the good which they do not want. It
> was
> not, then, right that He should appear in a manner manifestly divine, and
> completely capable of convincing all men; but it was also not right that
> He
> should come in so hidden a manner that He could not be known by those who
> should sincerely seek Him. He has willed to make himself quite
> recognisable
> by those; and thus, willing to appear openly to those who seek Him with
> all
> their heart, and to be hidden from those who flee from Him with all their
> heart, He so regulates the knowledge of Himself that He has given signs of
> Himself, visible to those who seek Him, and not to those who seek Him not.
> There is enough light for those who only desire to see, and enough
> obscurity
> for those who have a contrary disposition.
>
>
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Posted by Rich Webb on January 15, 2008, 11:40 am
Please log in for more thread options Bill M wrote:
> Forgery!
Yeah, they probably intended to include a link to episode 3
at http://mrdeity.com ;-)
(Cross-posts to non-c.r.m groups deleted...)
--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
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> without... the things which I teach you, since you will find no other
> ground
> for rejecting them, except that you cannot know of yourselves if they are
> true or not.
>
> "God has willed to redeem men and to open salvation to those who seek it.
> But men render themselves so unworthy of it that it is right that God
> should
> refuse to some, because of their obduracy, what He grants others from a
> compassion which is not due to them. If He had willed to overcome the
> obstinacy of the most hardened, He could have done so by revealing Himself
> so manifestly to them that they could not have doubted of the truth of His
> essence; as it will appear at the last day, with such thunders and such a
> convulsion of nature that the dead will rise again, and the blindest will
> see Him.
>
> "It is not in this manner that He has willed to appear in His advent of
> mercy, because, as so many make themselves unworthy of His mercy, He has
> willed to leave them in the loss of the good which they do not want. It
> was
> not, then, right that He should appear in a manner manifestly divine, and
> completely capable of convincing all men; but it was also not right that
> He
> should come in so hidden a manner that He could not be known by those who
> should sincerely seek Him. He has willed to make himself quite
> recognisable
> by those; and thus, willing to appear openly to those who seek Him with
> all
> their heart, and to be hidden from those who flee from Him with all their
> heart, He so regulates the knowledge of Himself that He has given signs of
> Himself, visible to those who seek Him, and not to those who seek Him not.
> There is enough light for those who only desire to see, and enough
> obscurity
> for those who have a contrary disposition.
>
>