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Troubles parallel ambitions in NASA Mars project Too_Many_Tools 04-15-2008
Posted by on April 16, 2008, 12:51 pm
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On Apr 15, 9:53=A0pm, "pogo" wrote:
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> ... or that can't spell "nitwit" ! :-)

you didn't catch the pun...

netwit =3D nitwit on the net


Rich


Posted by Too_Many_Tools on April 16, 2008, 3:25 am
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wrote:
> >http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2008-04-13-mars_N.htm?csp=3D1
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> > Troubles parallel ambitions in NASA Mars project
>
> Nothing like lowballing the initial cost estimates to guarantee selection.=
=A0Pity
> Alan Stern is no longer there to hold the lowballer's feet to the fire...

Standard practice in the industry.

TMT

Posted by Greg Crinklaw on April 16, 2008, 12:55 pm
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> wrote:
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2008-04-13-mars_N.htm?csp=1
>>> Troubles parallel ambitions in NASA Mars project
>> Nothing like lowballing the initial cost estimates to guarantee selection.
Pity
>> Alan Stern is no longer there to hold the lowballer's feet to the fire...
>
> Standard practice in the industry.

Which industry is that? This is a JPL project. They are trying to do
something that has never been done before and guess what? It's
difficult! A hell of a lot more difficult than putting your foot in
your mouth on usenet, apparently.

--
Greg Crinklaw
Astronomical Software Developer
Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)

SkyTools: http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
Observing: http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
Comets: http://comets.skyhound.com

To reply take out your eye

Posted by Too_Many_Tools on April 16, 2008, 11:23 pm
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wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> > wrote:
> >>>http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2008-04-13-mars_N.htm?csp=3D=
1
> >>> Troubles parallel ambitions in NASA Mars project
> >> Nothing like lowballing the initial cost estimates to guarantee selecti=
on. =A0Pity
> >> Alan Stern is no longer there to hold the lowballer's feet to the fire.=
..
>
> > Standard practice in the industry.
>
> Which industry is that? =A0This is a JPL project. =A0They are trying to do=

> something that has never been done before and guess what? =A0It's
> difficult! =A0A hell of a lot more difficult than putting your foot in
> your mouth on usenet, apparently.
>
> --
> Greg Crinklaw
> Astronomical Software Developer
> Cloudcroft, New Mexico, USA (33N, 106W, 2700m)
>
> SkyTools: =A0http://www.skyhound.com/cs.html
> Observing:http://www.skyhound.com/sh/skyhound.html
> Comets: =A0 =A0http://comets.skyhound.com
>
> To reply take out your eye

Interesting response...do you always insult strangers?

I do not dispute that it is difficult nor do I condemn anyone who
tries and fails.

In your tagline you indicate that you are a software developer...I
seem to recall reading that 3 out of 4 software projects
fail...usually from underfunding and poor communications.

I suspect the real problem is that under this Adminstration NASA has
been starved for funding. Trying to accomplish The Impossible while
you are being choked to death is difficult for anyone.

TMT

And for it being a "JPL" project...well JPL subcontracts out much of
their work.

Posted by pogo on April 16, 2008, 11:48 pm
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> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>> wrote:
>>>> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2008-04-13-mars_N.htm?csp=1
>>>> Troubles parallel ambitions in NASA Mars project
>>> Nothing like lowballing the initial cost estimates to guarantee selection.
Pity
>>> Alan Stern is no longer there to hold the lowballer's feet to the fire...
>>
>> Standard practice in the industry.
>
> Which industry is that? This is a JPL project. They are trying to do
something that has never been done before and guess what?
> It's difficult! A hell of a lot more difficult than putting your foot in your
mouth on usenet, apparently.

Damn. Got anything nice to say? I'm guessing that you're bitter about not
working at NASA anymore? Is the attitude a free add-on
to your software or do you charge for it ?

Couldn't resist ...


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