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Weatherproof Distance Sensors ? B1ackwater 01-09-2006
Posted by B1ackwater on January 9, 2006, 9:08 am
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I need to accurately measure distances of up to one. maybe
1.5 meters in an outdoor environment. Accuracy to 1/2" at
the outside of the detection envelope is required.

I've looked at the Sharp IR distance sensors and they're
usable - but I'm worried about condensation building up in
humid environments. I've found a number of ultrasonic sensors
that are accurate, versatile and weatherproof - but they cost
a bleedin' fortune (usually > $250US) and I need two of them
for each project.

So - two questions ...

First, does anyone know what that plastic is that they make
those condensation-resistant bathroom mirrors out of ? If
I put the Sharp sensors behind a thin sheet of that ... no
more condensation problems. (power-consumption IS an issue
here so heated optical windows are out of the question)

Second, has anyone come across an AFFORDABLE ultrasonic
distance sensor roughly fitting my accuracy needs ? 1/2"
at 1 meter is adequate but the thing MUST be capable of
withstanding 100% humidity pretty much forever.

Any help appreciated. Reply to group.


Posted by cbm5 on January 9, 2006, 10:25 am
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B1ackwater wrote:
> I need to accurately measure distances of up to one. maybe
> 1.5 meters in an outdoor environment. Accuracy to 1/2" at
> the outside of the detection envelope is required.
>
> I've looked at the Sharp IR distance sensors and they're
> usable - but I'm worried about condensation building up in
> humid environments. I've found a number of ultrasonic sensors
> that are accurate, versatile and weatherproof - but they cost
> a bleedin' fortune (usually > $250US) and I need two of them
> for each project.
>
> So - two questions ...
>
> First, does anyone know what that plastic is that they make
> those condensation-resistant bathroom mirrors out of ? If
> I put the Sharp sensors behind a thin sheet of that ... no
> more condensation problems. (power-consumption IS an issue
> here so heated optical windows are out of the question)
>
> Second, has anyone come across an AFFORDABLE ultrasonic
> distance sensor roughly fitting my accuracy needs ? 1/2"
> at 1 meter is adequate but the thing MUST be capable of
> withstanding 100% humidity pretty much forever.
>
> Any help appreciated. Reply to group.
>

Anti-fog plastic just contains a form of detergent that keeps the water
from beading up. Not a 100% reliable solution, and it'll wear out
quickly in constant humidity. The same result can be obtained from a
spray-on surface treatment, which needs to be applied often.

Certain important optically-based sensors have been known to mount a
miniature mechanical wiper on the front glass for these types of situations.

Posted by B1ackwater on January 9, 2006, 11:33 am
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wrote:

>B1ackwater wrote:
>> I need to accurately measure distances of up to one. maybe
>> 1.5 meters in an outdoor environment. Accuracy to 1/2" at
>> the outside of the detection envelope is required.
>>
>> I've looked at the Sharp IR distance sensors and they're
>> usable - but I'm worried about condensation building up in
>> humid environments. I've found a number of ultrasonic sensors
>> that are accurate, versatile and weatherproof - but they cost
>> a bleedin' fortune (usually > $250US) and I need two of them
>> for each project.
>>
>> So - two questions ...
>>
>> First, does anyone know what that plastic is that they make
>> those condensation-resistant bathroom mirrors out of ? If
>> I put the Sharp sensors behind a thin sheet of that ... no
>> more condensation problems. (power-consumption IS an issue
>> here so heated optical windows are out of the question)
>>
>> Second, has anyone come across an AFFORDABLE ultrasonic
>> distance sensor roughly fitting my accuracy needs ? 1/2"
>> at 1 meter is adequate but the thing MUST be capable of
>> withstanding 100% humidity pretty much forever.
>>
>> Any help appreciated. Reply to group.
>>
>
>Anti-fog plastic just contains a form of detergent that keeps the water
>from beading up. Not a 100% reliable solution, and it'll wear out
>quickly in constant humidity. The same result can be obtained from a
>spray-on surface treatment, which needs to be applied often.

Hmmm ... I used to own one of those fog-proof mirrors.
The effect didn't disappear over time, no treatments
were necessary. Likely the stuff was dosed with a
halogen or something to alter the surface chemistry
and/or charge. Maybe I could buy one and eat the
aluminum backing off with HCL ...

>Certain important optically-based sensors have been known to mount a
>miniature mechanical wiper on the front glass for these types of situations.

Yea, I've considered it - but I also believe in
the KISS principle and moving parts are just
something else to break down (and consume power).
Besides, it might *smear* instead of clean - yuk !

Ultrasonic would be perfect ... but the *cost* :-(


Posted by cbm5 on January 9, 2006, 11:52 am
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> Hmmm ... I used to own one of those fog-proof mirrors.
> The effect didn't disappear over time, no treatments
> were necessary. Likely the stuff was dosed with a
> halogen or something to alter the surface chemistry
> and/or charge. Maybe I could buy one and eat the
> aluminum backing off with HCL ...
>
>
>>Certain important optically-based sensors have been known to mount a
>>miniature mechanical wiper on the front glass for these types of situations.
>
>
> Yea, I've considered it - but I also believe in
> the KISS principle and moving parts are just
> something else to break down (and consume power).
> Besides, it might *smear* instead of clean - yuk !
>
> Ultrasonic would be perfect ... but the *cost* :-(

But where is that mirror now? How long did you have it? By quickly I
meant something like a year, in almost constant humidity...a shower is
going to be dry 23 hours out of 24.

And as far as ultrasonic goes, you could always glance a few threads
back. ;) www.maxbotix.com $30.


Posted by Mitch Berkson on January 9, 2006, 1:44 pm
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cbm5 wrote:

> And as far as ultrasonic goes, you could always glance a few threads
> back. ;) www.maxbotix.com $30.

Those look nice, but they're hardly weatherproof.

Mitch



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